Chapter 17 describes the history of capitalism as it relates to religion. Weber points out, when comparing religious affiliation and capital in the very first paragraph, that the business leaders and owners of capital are overwhelming Protestant. He mentions that, at least in the time he wrote this, that this was true pretty much everywhere capitalism spread.
Weber says that the reason for these Protestant leaders being can be explained by historical circumstances, “In which religious affiliation is not a cause of the economic conditions, but to a certain extent appears to be a result of them.” The reason for Protestant ownership of businesses and trade skills, Weber says, is that two important things were needed, wealth and education. In the 16th century he says that the majority of wealthy towns belonged to Protestantism. That brought him to asking the question, of why the rich Protestant towns were favorable to a revolution in the church at the same time as they were rising in power financially.
From what I understood from Weber’s point of view, the problem was the control the Catholic Church had. Depending on where you were at in the world at this time, it seems that some places thought they had too much control, some thought they didn’t have enough, but either way the general consensus was that some form of reform was needed.
As for the Protestants of todays society, (which for Weber would be early 1900s) Weber sees the Protestant control of many businesses as being a function of inheriting wealth. They apparently, in the past, have out proportioned Catholics in attaining higher education, compared to the general population. As confusing as that may be to read, basically it means in terms of the proportion of Protestants and Catholics furthering their educations, Protestants in the past won that fight and was able to pass down more material wealth.
Weber next starts to get into what he calls the spirit of capitalism. This phrase being in the title of the article one might expect a clear cut definition, but none is given. Weber instead points out how he feels the spirit of capitalism can only be built out of looking into the past, and makes an excellent point that other researchers, or just people in general, when looking at the same phrase, might analyze it in a completely different way and find different points they find important.
After quoting Benjamin Franklin for awhile, he finally gets to what I feel is a good description of how people feel about capitalism today. People work to get money, and they will do so for as long as they can. Weber points this out in the story about the retiree trying to convince his friend to retire as well, and his friend simply replies that “he wanted to make money as long as he could.” This is the difference Weber thinks, between the old capitalism, and modern capitalism. “Man is dominated by the making of money,” which is a great example, I think, of modern capitalism and according to Weber is actually an irrational and backwards way of looking at the “natural relationship.” Weber’s modern capitalism still stands today I think, as he points out, it is “economic survival of the fittest.”
Weber next gets into the idea of trying to maximize efficiency which overall should maximize profits. He makes an interesting point using agriculture, that in general when raising the wage of workers, efficiency actually goes down. Which makes sense if you think now that the wage is increased; the worker can make the same amount of money that he was before by actually working less. Weber calls this an example of traditionalism. As opposed to his modern capitalism idea, that people just want to make as much money as possible, in traditionalism people only want to make as much as they need to live on.
Later in the chapter, Weber starts talking about female workers. He basically calls them stubborn and points out that once they learn how to do something, they are resistant to changing their ways, even if the newer method is more efficient. He even takes a stab at intelligence and says that it is hard for females to “concentrate their intelligence, or even use it at all.” After belittling female workers, he gets to the point that females of this time were particularly religious and states the idea that “the chances of overcoming traditionalism are greatest on account of the religious upbringing.”
Asceticism and the spirit of capitalism is a different twist from the rest of the chapter. It starts to point out that as capitalism became more modernized, that luxury and “irrational use of wealth,” became more common and accepted. Weber uses the idea that capital is accumulated by saving money basically, which led to “productive investment of capital.” From what I get from this part of the chapter is that using traditionalism-like methods, such as saving money and not splurging on irrational things, led to accumulating wealth, which in turn led to investments and modern capitalism arising.
Although this was rushed a little because I thought it was due tonight and not last night, what I got out of this chapter, which obviously may be entirely different from other people, is that religious practices and traditionalism go hand in hand with capitalism. What I mean by that is what I understood from the chapter is, that the need for religious reform was caused by people wanting to be able to accumulate more capital. On that same note, the ways of traditionalism in the end, led to attaining more capital by saving all the money, and eventually changing mind sets and deciding to spend some of the wealth they accumulated which helps fuel capitalism to begin with. So although capitalism and religion have roots far in the past, through reform, and capital accumulation itself, it ends up just being a big circle where one affects the other and around and around it goes.
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
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These are my notes from the book, rather than the article:
p. xiv the key for Weber is “the rationalization of culture”
p. xvii-xviii - the intertwined and rationalizing roots of capitalism:
1) the separation of productive enterprises from the household
2) the development of the western city
3) an inherited tradition of Roman law
4) the development of the nation-state
5) double-entry book-keeping
6) the formation of a free mass of wage laborers
7) then, and only then, Protestant Ethic
p. 17 “We will define a capitalistic economic action as one which rests on the expectation of profit by the utilization of opportunities for exchange, that is on (formally) peaceful chances of profit.”
what does this emphasis on “expectations,” “exchange” and “peaceful chances” suggest re: Marx-Weber comparisons? - APR
p. 21 “a very different form of capitalism”
p. 22 “all these peculiarities… derived their significance in the last analysis only from their association with the capitalistic organization of labor.”
what’s this suggest re: Marx-Weber?
p. 30 “The author admits that he is inclined to think the importance of biological heredity very great.”
p.31 “The people filled with the spirit of capitalism today tend to be indifferent, if not hostile, to the Church…religion appears to them as a means of drawing people away from labour in the world”.
p.31 “If you ask them what is the meaning of their restless activity, why they are never satisfied with what they have, thus appearing so senseless to any purely worldly view of life, they would perhaps give the answer, if they know any at all: ‘to provide for my children and grandchildren.’ But more often and, since that motive is not peculiar to them, but was just as effective for the traditionalist, more correctly, simply: that business with its continuous work has become a necessary part of their lives.”
p. 36 “the Reformation meant not the elimination of the Church’s control over everyday life, but rather the substitution of a new form of control for the previous one.”
p. 40 “the principal explanation of this difference must be sought in the permanent intrinsic character of [Protestant – APR] religious beliefs…”
p. 45 “we must attempt to find it, for better or worse, not in its alleged more or less materialist or at least anti-ascetic joy of living, but in its purely religious characteristics.”
Permanent, intrinsic, purely religious characteristics of the spirit of capitalism? And this from a man committed to multiple and contingent causalities??? - APR
p.55 “in order that a manner of life so well adapted to the peculiarities of capitalism could be selected at all… it had to originate somewhere, and not in isolated individuals alone, but as a way of life common to whole groups of men.”
what would Marx say was this origination point?
p. 65 the spirit resided not so much in commercial aristocracy but in the “rising strata of the lower industrial middle classes.” SPIRIT = PETIT-BOURGEOIS PRODUCERS
p. 67 capitalistic and traditional????
pp. 76-77 the modern spirit of capitalism is NOT “part of the development of rationalism as a whole”
how would this relate to the “death” of the religious root of capitalism? - APR
p. 85 the traditionalistic (and CONSERVATIVE [see p.160!]) character of Lutherism
p. 91!! Capitalism is NOT a creation of the Reformation
note the inter-relation indicated between materiality, organization and religion - APR
p. 97 interested in “psychological sanctions” associated with religion…
p. 104 inhuman isolation, insecurity and hyper-individualism of Calvinist predestination - APR
pp.111-112 must consider oneself chosen AND must facilitate confidence through eternal vigilance and worldly activity - APR
pp. 114-117 you can’t build salvation, as with Catholicism, all you can to is systematically and inexorably maintain a confidence in your predestined status (God helps those who help themselves.) “a life of good works”
planned and systematic - APR
p. 122!! note “hatred and contempt” for neighbors of “other” religions
see p.161: sinful “others” might include those unemployed folks… those w/o a calling…
p. 147 for some Quakers: “grace” extended (via predestination) to those who had never known Biblical revelation
this is a fascinating individualist negation of unidimensional routes to Godliness and Heaven - APR
pp. 157-158 “danger of relaxation,” “waste of time,” “inactive contemplation” must be supplanted with “hard, continuous bodily or mental labor”
p. 171 “The campaign against the temptations of the flesh, and the dependence on external things was… not a struggle against the rational acquisition, but against the irrational use, of wealth.”
p. 172 “accumulation of capital through ascetic compulsion to save”
Dan Inclima was going to make the point that Weber says "It is true
that the greater relative participation of Protestants in the
ownership of capital, in management, and the upper ranks of
labor in great modern industrial and commercial enterprises,
may in part be explained in terms of historical circumstances
which extent far back into the past, and in which religious
affiliation is not a cause of economic conditions, but to a
certain extent appears to be a result of them."
This statement by Weber about religion seems very similar to
Durkheim's argument on religion that, society is not a product
of religion but religion is a product of society. If I'm [Dan is] understanding him correctly, he also found it interesting that
even in 1904 Weber could see that religion and capitalism will
struggle with one another, and this is still pretty clear even
in today's world.
Yay! Finally the blog has been posted, late I might add. With that said, I will be taking some points from both the initial blog and the comment from Alan.
On page 31, Alan has pulled out an excerpt about that satisfaction of material things and providing for their children and grandchildren is the reason for continuing to work. With having a business degree, yes that may very well be true to provide for your children and grandchildren, but with the business aspect of it, business is a cycle. It’s all about the continuous cycle that one engages it to keep the economy going. Once stuck in that cycle, it’s hard to get out of it with little if any rewards. Therefore, one continues to work to reap the benefits that one gets while working. It’s a standard of living that one wants to provide for not so much just a wanting sense.
The sense that I get from the religion aspect of it is that religion didn’t form capitalism. Religion is a finished good of capitalism. Capitalism has been around for centuries. Capitalism continues and eventually forms an institution that can fuel the economy with a meeting of large masses of people to motivate them in doing the “right” thing, which depending on the time period what the “right” thing actually is. It’s a form of mass media honestly. The priest (pastor) interprets what is going on in the world into what is the right thing to do according to the words of “god” and this is where the institution of religion is inter-related to capitalism. With the ever growing economy in the 1900’s this pastor could very well be the owner of a business. He then turns and says in church that Sunday or Saturday that “god” says the right thing to do is go and consume and work for these businesses. The masses follow what is said and therefore has fueled the capitalist society.
Let me begin by saying that I have no intention of offending anyone and that the Protestantism that I speak of is not that of many moral Americans but the religion of wealthy WASPs who reap the benefits of capitalism.
In my opinion there are two types of Protestantism the pious, God fearing, righteous, moral everyday kind and the insanely rich, sense of entitlement and self righteous type. I disagree with Weber because where he views these wealthy business owners and inherited money and power as having the same religion as the branch of Protestantism which they affiliate with. These elites use religion as a tool for which to justify and progress their status and means of attaining such a status.
Now as rich as these people may be they still need public support and perhaps need to justify their actions to themselves. If these elites did not find some divine reason for being so rich and powerful in a free society people might start to get a little pissed. So here comes Protestantism, it has all the passages from the Bible to interpret for themselves without the nuisance of dealing with a hierarchal structure that tells you how to interpret the Bible. So they work hard and God rewards them, and that’s why they are richer than you and have more power than you; because God said that that is what happens when you work hard.
Now I’m not saying that this is a totally conscious decision, perhaps they chose Protestantism because it was the religion that made them feel better about themselves, who knows. What I do know is that the type of Protestantism they profess to goes hand in hand with them being rich and successful.
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